Though you might not know it from reading Stellar Maze, there are actually INFJs that have their shit together. Yeah, they don’t have any of the emotional problems that I speak of in the Fi id series. I mean, they do, but well this is exactly what Saturn gives, the ability to rise above that shit, and take the world by storm.
Examples of the type
- Alan Rickman
- George Clooney
- Harvey Specter
- Richard Gere
Remember Die Hard? I mean, if you don’t where have you been, my friend? This movie introduced us to the best, most classiest, sophisticated, tasteful villain we ever had to delight to lay eyes on. And what about that voice? Yeah, plenty of people talk about Alan Rickman’s gorgeous voice and why not, it’s a stunner.
So, basically if you remember Hans Gruber in the movie Die Hard, you’re gonna have a good overall picture of this Saturnian INFJ thing I’m getting at. And this here INTPesque analysis I’m including about the wonders of this villain’s introduction into cinema pretty much nails what I would say about a Saturnian INFJ.
Feast!
A little more modern example of this type is in a cinematically glorious tv show circa 2011 called Suits.
Remember Harvey Specter?
What? You’ve never seen Suits on Netflix? You better hop on it boy if you wanna understand an INFJ who is a closer. Deals. Negotiations. High-level law and corporate finance. Watch Harvey use his Ni to dive into the human equation, to quickly and expediently score wins for the firm, and himself. Masterful!
Remember Richard Gere?
Remember Richard Gere in Arbitrage?
This movie is the epitome of a Saturnian INFJ getting shit done! Again, we have high-level corporate finance. Gere is a billionaire hedge fund magnate and I just gotta say this style in this movie suits him so well.
Man, does Gere look good at around 60 years of age. The beautiful silver hair. Those impeccable suits. This is the Saturnian style. Like Alan Rickman in Die Hard and like Harvey Specter in Suits. Impeccably dressed.
Watch the trailer for Arbitrage to see this silver-haired fox getting shit done with extremely high levels of competence in the world of finance!
And have you seen Ocean’s 11? Have you?
Remember Danny Ocean?
Remember how legit he was at assembling a crew of ace crooks with a highly elaborate plan to take down three casinos in one night? Gotta have your shit together for that.
Takeaways
- Every Saturnian INFJ I listed above was wearing a suit.
- None of them were emotionally tortured artists.
- They all chase MONEY and STATUS
- They use their Ni in the service of achieving money and status.
- They are all highly organized and know how to use other people to accomplish an ambitious objective.
Some of them have principles
- Harvey Specter believes in serving the firm.
- Danny Ocean is a romantic at heart. At bottom he’s trying to get Tess back. Sorta.
- Richard Gere in Arbitrage is a complex character and the movie is something of a morality tale. It leaves us with a question about what is permissible. But he does care about his wife and daughter, and all the investors that placed faith in him. It’s not that simple you see.
- And Alan Rickman in Die Hard…He has impeccable taste and sophistication. He is an artist. He does it all with such class. Values that have been lost to yesteryear, my friend.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask them in the comments below.
What do you think of these Saturnian INFJs?
This article is part of the series The 10 Types of INFJ. Be sure to check that link to read about the other 9 types of INFJ.
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I have some questions!
1) Does the Saturnian INFJ have an implied strong Te (but not strong enough to be classified as a Uranian INFJ whom you said is more INTJ-ish)? Is the Saturnian INFJ the stoic one?
2) So far, I see a little bit of myself in both the Neptunian, Plutonian and the Saturnian type. To be more precise, during some parts of my life where I had to deal with hardships and the joys of the Fi id I felt more Plutonian, right now where things are in some ways more stable, I feel more Saturnian and Neptunian. Or I deal with my emotional problems in a more Neptunian/Saturnian way now, whereas before I did it the Plutonian way. Not sure if it is the natural course of life, or if it’s society and outer circumstances that have “changed” me. I even may feel close to other subtypes that you haven’t described yet as well… Is that possible? Which criterias should I use to subtype myself correctly?
3) I remember vaguely that you previously typed George Clooney as an ENFP. Did he say or do something specific that made you change your mind?
1) Does the Saturnian INFJ have an implied strong Te (but not strong enough to be classified as a Uranian INFJ whom you said is more INTJ-ish)? Is the Saturnian INFJ the stoic one?
The Saturnian INFJ has the strongest implied Te of all the 10 types of INFJ, even more so than the Uranian INFJ.
2) So far, I see a little bit of myself in both the Neptunian, Plutonian and the Saturnian type. To be more precise, during some parts of my life where I had to deal with hardships and the joys of the Fi id I felt more Plutonian, right now where things are in some ways more stable, I feel more Saturnian and Neptunian. Or I deal with my emotional problems in a more Neptunian/Saturnian way now, whereas before I did it the Plutonian way. Not sure if it is the natural course of life, or if it’s society and outer circumstances that have “changed” me. I even may feel close to other subtypes that you haven’t described yet as well… Is that possible?
It’s possible, and I think quite normal for people to see bits of themselves in the different 10 types, or indeed any descriptions of personality. The real key is whether any of these aspects you see in yourself dominate the personality to the extent that we could fairly call it a subtype. Everyone is going to be Plutonian sometimes, Saturnian sometimes, Neptunian and so on.
Which criterias should I use to subtype myself correctly?
Thorough knowledge of the INFJ personality type, thorough knowledge on each of the 10 planetary types and what they tend to look like in actual people, and relatively objective assessment by a competent third party observer such as myself. Because tbh, there is no other competent third party observer that combines MBTI type with astrological planetary types.
3) I remember vaguely that you previously typed George Clooney as an ENFP. Did he say or do something specific that made you change your mind?
It was actually Gabriel Macht (Harvey Specter actor) that did something during the course of when I was watching Suits that was the precursor to me shifting to INFJ for George Clooney. Primarily that I saw similarity in them, and I was stumped on what Harvey Specter’s type was. My first thought was ENFP because I was seeing high Te. This is how I finally got around to the Saturnian INFJ type. Once Harvey was there, George Clooney came along for the ride.
Clooney seems to fit the phenotype of Fe auxiliary w/ Ti tertiary: smooth, slick, and quick-witted. He calculates and adjusts his behavior in the moment to bring off a desired result. He is widely considered to be charming. Harvey is similar. It’s a combination of Ni, Fe and Ti w/Saturnian subtype. Another reason is that Clooney seems more similar to Obama (ISFJ in my book), so that we’re seeing an Fe-Ti kinda schmooze and charm and wit. ENFPs are not as sophisticated this way. I think they have less ability to tailor their expression to the needs of the moment, which is what Fi in the auxiliary position prevents them from doing. Generally speaking, I would say that ENFPs are more like “Pow! This is who I am and this is what I think.”
However, there is an exception to this rule if the ENFP is pulling from their id function of Fe (in Ni context). And here is where I think ENFP can be first-rate manipulators, but I would say that it is more total and not really in the control of the ego of the ENFP, such that they would be more likely to fool themselves in the process.
At any rate, in Clooney I see Fe as I think it looks as an auxiliary function, which means that he LOOKS Fe and can consciously and adeptly CONTROL his Fe. I also see quick Ti as it would manifest in tertiary position toggled with Fe aux. You actually see this in his repartee with Brad Pitt all through Ocean’s 11. It’s quick, witty, and charming. Never at a loss for a clever thing to say.